Gruul's and ZA take 2....

MajorMojo · Joined: 21 Mar 2006 Posts: 611 Location: Sydney

Ok there's been a fair bit of interest in these 2 instances and I just wanna gauge how people feel if we set something up in the next week or two?

ZA: now i know every man and his cat are keen on doing this place. However to start, i'd like to put our best foot forward. We do need the best geared of each class in there. Its not to say everyone won't get a chance, but walking into this place packing greens or crap blues results in a icky sticky death for 10 ppl.

Ideally I'd like Shawne + Alec tanking with Tree + Cece or myself healing. So perhaps this Sunday's Kara will be ZA now.

Gruuls: I've been to a few gruul runs, and our general gear level is on par with the guys that I kinda PUG'ed it with.

We just need to organise EVERYONE to log on at the same time and day.

Being realistic we may even need to PUG a few friends or ex guildies to come along. Such is life.

so for Gruuls can people post what day of the week they'd like it to start it on?
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WellHard · Joined: 29 Aug 2007 Posts: 80

Mojo,

It certainly sounds like a good idea however I'm replying from a position of A. being a noob and B. not being able to enter Kara, ZA or Gruul's from a gear perspective at the moment. I am however going to digress way off subject for just a paragraph or two.

I understand that the senior/geared members need to progress and it's certainly healthy for the guild morale given the people who've recently left (be it for progression, to transfer servers or some bullshit conflict). From my point of view even if I'm not being involved in any of the 10+ man raids I enjoy seeing our guild in there downing bosses, grabbing lootz and generally progressing.

We have a lot of 70's in the guild now and while I doubt we'll get two Kara teams up and running anytime soon (the moon and the sun never seemed to align there) perhaps it's better to split the Thursday / Sunday runs into Kara / ZA nights with the focus on Thursday nights being Kara for the 'Gear Handicapped' - also to be known as the Kara Spac Attack (50% geared - 50% gear handicapped [blues or greater]) and the Sunday night to be for our more geared/senior members to start hitting up ZA. If not enough geared players jump on Sunday night for ZA then hit Kara and keep subbing noobs, drilling home the raid tactics and distributing or DE'ing the loot for the guild bank.

The idea with Thursday being for the gear handicapped is to not just go on a wild epic grab but to actually learn the instance with a view to leading it and guiding the next gen of Kara nubs through thus freeing up yourself, Tree, Cece etc etc to begin concentrating on/learning ZA and onwards. Eventually the gear handicapped become geared and experienced in the 10+ mans then move up to ZA etc once they've earned their stripes in Kara.

Understanding that it would possibly mean the Thursday night raid would reset without being finished and Netherspite may never be dropped but my gut feel is that this would only be temporary and sooner or later IV'll have enough experienced/geared players to one-shot Kara on Thursday nights and thus putting pressure on the Sunday night ZA team spots or possibly creating a two night a week ZA run in place of Kara (if plausible?).

Sadly for the geared players it means maintaining or increasing their current dedication to running Normal/Heroic Instances and Kara but at least there would be a ZA night to look forward to.

The above is just my 2 cents worth and I don't know how the raid lockout crap works nor do I know if you need Gruul's loot to hit ZA.

In answer to your question Mojo, Thursday nights would be best for me but I could negotiate with the CEO (read wife) for a Sunday night shot as well. For me it's not about getting on to play it's about being able to play without a baby on my lap bashing away at the keyboard.

Cheers,
WH.
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madalchemist · Site Admin Joined: 20 Mar 2006 Posts: 647 Location: Sydney

Damn my work Sad

Nice post WH. I'm not in the position at the moment to do very much about this, so I hope Major/Cece/Shawne can get stuff rolling. With regards to ZA, what I reckon should be done is to work out exactly who maybe the best 12 or 14 geared people are, and then go from there. It should be easy enough to do a quick online check in guild chat, unfortunately I'm not around atm to do it. But with the people who aren't in that best 12 or 14 geared, then they should be priority hit Kara on Thursday. And somewhere in there manage who can do what and when with respect to family/friends commitments.

As for me personally, I can't hit up something Sunday 20th, but I can hit whatever any Sunday other than that. Mon-Sat = study + contract work Sad

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mypns · Joined: 01 May 2006 Posts: 22

i agree with WH in that its great to see IV moving up the guild chain

i think the best thing to do is just go in and learn the instance beacuse no matter how much you read up on it, you will always learn more from just doing it.

im definatly up for za/gruul, my lock is in a guild that is about to start attempting gruul/mag/za and hopefully i can come out of it with some knowledge to help out

vent is an integral part of any raid imo, hell even the voice in wow is helpful

i say we just set a date and stick to it, even make a sign up thread on here to see who will show up on a set night

http://tempestwow.guildomatic.com/ is my locks guild and it has a calendar on it for signing up

out guild bank is around 1k gold atm and if people are worried about huge repair bills, then use that.

if your seriously thinking about your own repair bill over guild progression then your not ready for kara/za/gruul

for those who were around on stormreaver id like you to think back to how hard zg was and how many sleepless nights we all got, this is exactly the same thing.

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Zulsoka · Joined: 09 Apr 2006 Posts: 411 Location: Cenral Coast nsw

i agree with a few things mypns said. tho i wil word em diferntly hehe

If u let the thought of large repair costs deter u from wanting to learn new instances, then u prob dont have the right frame of mind to raid anyway. gold is easy to come across in wow, if u do just 1 daily. just 1, then that will cover a good chunk of repair gold. and our guild bank is nicely funded atm,
i wonder if perhaps on raid nights ( mainly new boss fights where we are expected to wipe repeatedly), we could have our access to guild funds to cover most, if not all our costs. and for anyone who has to respec to fill a role, perhaps the guild should fund this also?? just a thought.

VENT!!! i know we have alot of mic shy ppl in IV, but we have known eachother long enough now, we should feel comfortable talking via vent. u will never be forced to talk or do anything u dont want to.just to listen to raid instructions. i know we never used it in the old days in ZG, cecepel's /rw spam was enough to tell every1 how the fights are progressing, but how much easier for all concerned would it be to just say it!! instead of writing ( which i suck at ). not sure how we will go about setting up a server, unless someone already has access to one?? if not vent, we should test out blizz's voip.

the sign up thread is a perfect idea for organizing a raid. because not all IV read these forums, perhaps we should enforce a rule. if u dont sing up for a raid, u will most likely sit out . even for kara raids this would be a good idea. there has been times ( many times) when ppl are logged on at the said time to raid, yet either no leader, or just not enough core classes to even think about kara. I know i have logged on a few times just latley thinking that there would be a raid on at a previously mentioned time, only to see ppl are already in kara and started 2 hrs early, or theres just not enough ppl. this could be avoided by a sign up page, or a raid scheduler ( if thats a word).

in one guild i was in, the GM would write out a list of names for each raid. so if u wanted to get in on a raid, u would have to go to the site and sign up. u could see exactly who is going to show and what spec u wil need to be before hand. it worked flawlessly, and 99% of the people who said they would be there actually were!! it just made things run alot smoother.

we definatly have enough geared ppl to start ZA, so its a matter of when. i say this arvo hehe, 3pm server time FTW...

o and as for gruuls... well, do we really want the headache of 25 man raids?? Gruuls is actually quite easy..... its just a pain to get 25 ppl in the same place at the same time. but if we have the numbers. i wil come

Bashkan · Joined: 24 Dec 2006 Posts: 210 Location: Sydney

Vent ... absoulutly. Even if is it just to hear the dulcit tones of Major's voice. Seriously means that a group can recover from some thing going a bit bad quicker.
One other thing that significantly changes a raid successfullness imho is consumables:

FLASKS

I emphasis the last one as they are not cheap, but for instance if you can get +80 spell dmg just from 1 flask, andother 30 from food, 40 from oils, you all of a sudden are putting out DPS like you imagined if you had the sexy gear you are probably going raiding for. They are not cheap, but they make a massive difference especially in those times before you have an instance on farm. Besides ... money isnt that hard to come by, just do your dailies and you can buy flasks for the week. Make sure you get a flask master to make them for you as the really good flasks seem to proc about 30%.[/list]
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serate · Joined: 11 Nov 2007 Posts: 8

hi guys,

sorry i have been a little absent of late from raids, like tree i am currently in 'work hell' as its the busy season for hospitality Sad

looks to be easing up in march/april and i have 3 weeks off in may (ftw!)

also if u need flasks, i'm your girl! i am herbalist/alchemist and have pretty much all the flask recipes and usually have the mats on me. if u can cover the cost of the fel lotus, i can do the rest Very Happy

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MajorMojo · Joined: 21 Mar 2006 Posts: 611 Location: Sydney

Cool thanks bootsy

We've used it occasionally for our arena matches, and the odd instance run here and there

Vent still provides better quality than the built in wow chat Sad

btw guys i can't make raiding sunday.... i'll most likely be down the coast
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Zulsoka · Joined: 09 Apr 2006 Posts: 411 Location: Cenral Coast nsw

oO bootlegger, good to hear from ya mate, i didnt realise u stil had that vent set up, and set up with out own IV chan and all!1 OMG, u champ.

Wilbo · Joined: 16 Nov 2006 Posts: 180

Btw, is there some reason why we still use vent and not the built in WoW voice chat? That seems to work a whole lot easier.
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MajorMojo · Joined: 21 Mar 2006 Posts: 611 Location: Sydney

coz the quality on the WoW voice chat sucks balls

that's pretty much it
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Zulsoka · Joined: 09 Apr 2006 Posts: 411 Location: Cenral Coast nsw

ZA take 3

lets try to set another date for ZA. last time we were all prepared, and let down by dodgey internet connection..... so lets forget about that and set another date to head in there.

Wilbo · Joined: 16 Nov 2006 Posts: 180

I'm keen to give ZA another shot. Same bat-time? Same bat-channel? Sunday 3pm?

Wilbo's ready to rock 'n roll if you need DPS, and I think Slappy may be good to OT Smile

She hit 14.2K HP and 15.1K Armor unbuffed yesterday.
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