Do you OOM prematurely?

Wilbo · Joined: 16 Nov 2006 Posts: 176

This is a question to the casters. Do you guys have problems with OOMing too fast in long fights like prince/bear? And do you gimp your DPS massively for long fights just to have mana to last the fight.

I recently respec'd marks for raiding cos my gear still wasn't quite tweaked enough for survival . My DPS is much better on tash, but my efficiency is out the window. I've maxed out what efficiency talents I could for the build and am using the lowest DPM rotation I can find. Problem was, last night on prince, I managed to OOM before the fight was over and only managed about 550-600dps over the whole fight.

Have any of you had any problems with ooming? Do you stack int/mp5 as a dps classes?
I am cycling pots as soon as I can and go through 3 pots in a fight and still OOM.
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Ccpl · Joined: 20 Mar 2006 Posts: 367

Get more +int

Last time I took Cece to fight prince, I went oom just as prince was about to drop, which is typically an indication that I managed my mana well.

Managing however, won't help you if your not geared appropriately.
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Wilbo · Joined: 16 Nov 2006 Posts: 176

Btw, there were a few other things I considered:
- I should get BoWis
- Hunter's usually get thrown into the melee group so we dont get VT + Mana Totems.
- The overall group's dps was simply too low and so the fight just went on for too long and OOM-ing was inevitable

Maybe that's all it was, cos I still managed to be equal first on dps. Doing 24% of the dmg (which is pretty bad, if I'm only doing 600dps and 24%)
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Wilbo · Joined: 16 Nov 2006 Posts: 176

My mana pool is at 6.8k atm. Which is not great, but it's about the norm afaik. I'll try to dig around for more +int.

Do you have a "long boss fight" set? which sacrifices some +spell dmg for more +int? Also, do you downrank spells?
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MajorMojo · Joined: 21 Mar 2006 Posts: 606 Location: Sydney

I never down rank spells - max DPS baby!

but do look for MP5 gear, i see lotsa hunter gear with MP5 on it.

But let me ask you this: - does your gear contain more than a few pieces of PVP or arena gear? if so then that's your problem.

PVP gear stacks on the +stam and +resil and sacrafices other uncessary stats. Just replace the PVP bits with PVE bits and you'll be fine

Till then suck up to serate and stella :p
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Wilbo · Joined: 16 Nov 2006 Posts: 176

Atm, I'm only wearing 2 PVP pieces. Pants and shoulders, and there really aren't any easily obtainable upgrades for either.

You're right tho, they got bugger all +int/ap on em. They're all stam/agi/crit/resil.
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Bashkan · Joined: 24 Dec 2006 Posts: 210 Location: Sydney

An oom discussion ... i have some experience in this space Very Happy

Superior mana oil for starters. Additionally if you go to felwood farm a few dark runes you can monster these during long fights for more mana. Also look to get some +mp5 food aswell. There are also mp5 flasks and things you can get which will help alot.

In essence if you dont have the mana, stop burning it. There are few classes that can unload max DPS for extremely long fights. Find your most mana efficient rotation, i can assure you it wont be the highest DPS rotation but thats sorta the point.

As major said lose the PvP gear for sure, but consumables can help you address the issue in the meantime.

Also if things are getting nasty, remember that stam is questionable for DPS classes in PvE once you pass a certain point unless you have a specialised agro holding roll like on a Kael fight or something, so enchant your boots with vitality instead of stam etc.
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Esteban · Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 6:25 am Post subject: Poor Buggers

LOL something mages finaly rock at haha.
Do I OOM prematurely ... well I never I mean to say...

It's all in the spec for Mages Being Arc I have the best of Damage and Mana Regen. I'm all out max DPS 100% of the time and pretty much burn Gems and Evoc, in the really long fights I have had to pot maybe once or twice max. In the last bear fight my Evoc was blown before it could tick once and I was able to use Mana Gem approx 2k mana and scorch for 2 mins till next Gem (I also blew health pot so I couldn't use a mana pot.)
So to cut a long story short it's in the build. Cool

Este

PS I dun use MP5 at all Zero zilch Twisted Evil

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madalchemist · Site Admin Joined: 20 Mar 2006 Posts: 637 Location: Sydney

I've never oom'd prematurely on Beer or Tree - esp since the spirit/mp5 buff. Now there's bucketloads of mana to go around.

One thing you could also do is invest in http://www.wowhead.com/?item=31677
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Wilbo · Joined: 16 Nov 2006 Posts: 176

Yeah I use those pots, but they get expensive and are pretty hard to come by. They sell like hot cakes!!

My thinking is that I wanna treat pots as a temporary measure, my preference would be to invest the money in gear/build etc and was just wondering there were any other tactics you guys use aside from chain chugging pots. .

For me to go all out dps, I would burn through 3 pots easily on a 9+ minute fight. Even then I will go for periods of autoshot only, whilst waiting for the mana pot Cd to complete. So pretty much all I can do is weave steady shots slowly and keep viper aspect up.

As for the build. Unfortunately my best mana efficiency build is also the one that's the hardest to gear for atm. I never had a problem with mana as SV, but the talent which returns 40% mana per crit is very deep in the tree and its DPS is just not compareable to MM or BM at this stage of the game.

For now, Viper + Mana Oils + Flask on really important runs seems to be the way. And accepting that my dps is gonna be abit gimp.
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Bashkan · Joined: 24 Dec 2006 Posts: 210 Location: Sydney

The idea of max DPS being sukcky at mana efficiecy is deliberate by bliz. Essentially what they are saying is, there is a way to put out craploads of DPS but you need the support / consumables / cash to actually do it. Like grouped with an Spriest, chaining pots etc. It would be a bit stupid in all seriousness if you could max DPS without any mana issues as then there really is no point in the consumables aspect, in that event they would probably gimp your dmg abililities somewhat *sneaks a glance at Este*.
The top end DPSing locks even need spec into mana inefficiency to gain that high end dmg output, so dont be too concerned if it happens to you, basically i think it is supposed to.
Besides being OOM isnt all bad, it goives you time to skill up your weapons ... Very Happy

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interstella · Joined: 25 Sep 2007 Posts: 7

I agree with the all the above. Just to repeat and put it in other words, I think the idea of having high dps output at a cost of premature ooming is to down the boss as soon as possible. I don't think its possible to have best of these two worlds.

For prince and other long boss fights I try to rotate my SWP, SWD, MBs , MFs to max out damage done, at a cost of mana. VE can only fill me up for so much but I can restore as much mana back to the party. (Not to mention VT for health as well). So I probably get to closed to ooming first out of everyone.

Depending on the long fight and how I feel, I can either do the following
At 40% mana - mana pot which if I am lucky should bring me to 60% to 70% mana.
At 20% - Release shadow fiend with VE which should bring me to 90% to 100% of my mana pool
Then repeat above (If I am still alived from princess's axes and effy, or Bressed by either Tree or beefy).
Or hopelessly repeat with wand when oomed, until pot or shadow fiend is back up hehehe.

My gear and build are mainly designed for raid spec, with plus a damage gem sockets for most of my items. One of the down side to this is loss of spell hit bonus. Mp5 is not so good. Mana oils is also applied.

stella

VE = your nasal delivery mana pot??